Can One Order Be Counted as a Party?

[DMB75]

I have a lady that wants to order a large amount of Pampered Chef items for Christmas presents. She wanted to know if it could count as a party and she could get benifits because her order is so large. So my questions is how many different orders do you need for it to be counted as a show?

Thanks,
Donna

 

[chefann]

There's no minimum number of orders, as long as it's over $150.

 

[DMB75]

There's no minimum number of orders, as long as it's over $150.

Really? So one person can be counted as a party. Now, If I go to her house and we cook something but she has no guests, can it be counted as a cooking show? or do I need to give her the catalog show benifits? Or does it matter?

 

[chefann]

Officially, there needs to be cooking/food for it to be considered a cooking show.

 

[DMB75]

Thanks for your help Ann.

 

[kspry]

Someone in there has to be a guest for it to reach $150 in guest sales!

 

[dns2202]

I've done this before where I put the husband's name as the guest and the wife as the host.

 

[jrstephens]

I have done it too. I had a mother and her daughter that wanted the cook ware one time. One ordered it at full price and the other got it as half-price item.

 

[raebates]

I've done it once. The name of the guest doesn't have to be different. It just has to be a separate guest order.

 

[sfdavis918]

Yup, I just submitted one over the weekend. I used the same person's name. I ordered everything under her as a guest (the order was right at $150) and then put the host special under her name as the host. If she would have had more than $150 in orders I would have just put the $150 under her as a guest then the rest under her host order so she would get the discount.

Oh, and I always label them catalog shows.

 

[janetupnorth]

I had one legitimate one that was a cooking show...the host just wasn't into getting friends there and outside orders. It happens, RARELY...otherwise, if it is like this case, I too would label it as a catalog show. Otherwise, you are making food to call it a cooking show and I would say abusing the $15 product value that HO gives out.

 

[DMB75]

Thanks so much for all the info. You guys have really helped me out!

Donna

 

[DebbieSAChef]

I agree

I had one legitimate one that was a cooking show...the host just wasn't into getting friends there and outside orders. It happens, RARELY...otherwise, if it is like this case, I too would label it as a catalog show. Otherwise, you are making food to call it a cooking show and I would say abusing the $15 product value that HO gives out.

I did the same thing. Legitiimately, I made some food and brought it to her work for her friends to sample. I also did a few demos (apple wedger, mini whipper for hot chocolate, pizza cutter and mini serving spatula. These were friends who placed outside orders with her. They ordered more just because I brought lunch, and did a short demo with some of the products. I guess it helps for them to see them. But I just can't see myself bringing lots of products to shows with me.

Debbie

 

[ChefBeckyD]

I did the same thing. Legitiimately, I made some food and brought it to her work for her friends to sample. I also did a few demos (apple wedger, mini whipper for hot chocolate, pizza cutter and mini serving spatula. These were friends who placed outside orders with her. They ordered more just because I brought lunch, and did a short demo with some of the products. I guess it helps for them to see them. But I just can't see myself bringing lots of products to shows with me.

Debbie

I would definitely consider that a cooking show - there was food, there was a brief demo, people placed orders......I do that often at people's workplace.....and call it an Express Show.

 

[janetupnorth]

I would definitely consider that a cooking show - there was food, there was a brief demo, people placed orders......I do that often at people's workplace.....and call it an Express Show.

Yup, express shows are often done. It is different that taking one outside order and "making it" a cooking show.

 

[PamperedChefDebi]

Hey Donna! I usually make the spouse the host and the customer the guest. Often they have a past host discount and I want them to be able to take advantage of that. That may still work having guest and host the same though. I never tried that.

 

[raebates]

The host as guest could use her PHD with no problem.

 

[legacypc46]

Here's something to ask friends to consider over the holidays:
"Spend $150 in presents and/or gift certificates and then give yourself a gift as well (i.e the 60% off special and 10% off for a year). Sure beats fighting the crowds at macy's." (I don't recommend saying this at a show of course, but it's a way to generate orders you might not get otherwise....and some of them will invariably turn into pretty good catalog shows in themselves.

 

[mzwizard]

ok...can the Host BE the guest? and just pay the $4 shipping?

I have a gal that wants to order a bunch of SA products on sale. But she'd have to order $150 at teh 20% sale price, and THEN she'd get whatever her host goodies/order was, and the 15% discount and the 10% PHD?

So she can't get the 20% off the company is offering PLUS her discount etc, without ordering OVER the $150, right?

Does that make sense?

 

[BethCooks4U]

ok...can the Host BE the guest? and just pay the $4 shipping?

I have a gal that wants to order a bunch of SA products on sale. But she'd have to order $150 at teh 20% sale price, and THEN she'd get whatever her host goodies/order was, and the 15% discount and the 10% PHD?

So she can't get the 20% off the company is offering PLUS her discount etc, without ordering OVER the $150, right?

Does that make sense?

First of all as the host she gets the 15% discount but not the 10% PHD. Hosts get the higher discount and if they already have a PHD it cannot be used on her show as host.

A host can put an order on her own show in her own name (in fact if she booked it from her own show that is how she would get the past host booking benefit) and she can get her 10% PHD on THAT order.

I think, though, that HO would see red if that was the only order on the show. Has she noone that she would want to buy a gift for in THEIR name or ask to add an order to the show??

 

[jrstephens]

I do the host and guest as two different name.s Usually husband and wife, or use a child's name or their middle name.

 

[BethCooks4U]

I do the host and guest as two different name.s Usually husband and wife, or use a child's name or their middle name.

I think this is stretching things beyond okay. Using a child's name or their middle name is a bit too much like a lie to me. HO probably won't catch it unless she needs to exchange it and forgets the name she ordered it under but it's not honest to me.

I used to ask the host if they wanted their husband to order something to get them to the next level if they were close and didn't feel they had anyone else to ask - maybe something he would mostly use, or a gift for her... I didn't feel good about encouraging this but, like you all, I wanted to help her.

But at Nat. Conf. we were in a discussion with our Exec and I found out that it's perfectly fine for the HOST to place a "guest" order on her own show. She does have to pay the shipping on that order and she doesn't get her show discount on it but it does count toward guest sales.

So there is no need to "stretch the truth". As far as the question of only having one order and that being the host, I still believe that you would get a call from HO on that one.

 

[pamperedgirl3]

I have a question along these lines. I have some orders that I am turning in as a show. My husband wants to get the girls at his office some PC for Christmas gifts & wants to use his corporate cc. If he is the host of this show, will I get commission on his order? Or since he is at my same address, will it be considered that the consultant is the host? What about if he is just a guest placing an order? Thanks!

 

[jrstephens]

I have placed shows in my husband's name before. Just ship it c/o of you. You will get the same as you would any other show including the booking benefit in his name if you do him as host.

 

[pamperedgirl3]

I have placed shows in my husband's name before. Just ship it c/o of you. You will get the same as you would any other show including the booking benefit in his name if you do him as host.

Thanks! I was hoping it could count for him because the gifts are from him, not me!

 

[BethCooks4U]

I have placed shows in my husband's name before. Just ship it c/o of you. You will get the same as you would any other show including the booking benefit in his name if you do him as host.

Tsk. Tsk.

I know I should just keep my mouth shut but that is abusing the system. The consultant agreement you signed states that you do not get the booking benefit or commission on the host discount order if you or anyone living in your home is host.

Again, I will be chastized for "personally attacking" someone but we have talked about this over and over and it is especially meant for newbies to see that it is not ethical to do things this way. Pampered Chef is so generous to us and this kind of thing will only eventually make us lose some of the benefits we currently enjoy.

I am always amazed when sig lines quote scripture and the poster talks about how they beat the system by using a child's or husband's name, etc. or called a great order a show when it isn't anything more than a great order (ASK the customer if she wants to make it a show by gathering just a couple of orders and then putting a part of it on an order with her as a guest - if she says no then enter it as an individual order. Most will want to take advantage of the benefits and will make at least a small effort.)

HO reads the posts here randomly. If you are saying that you do this you are setting yourself up to be audited.

 

[jrstephens]

Again, I will be chastized for "personally attacking" someone

I am always amazed when sig lines quote scripture

It's kind of hard not to take that as personal. But I am not going to get into an arugment about it, so, this is all I will say. And she does say below that she has other orders she is turning in, not just her husbands.

 

[J.Corley]

Tsk. Tsk.
HO reads the posts here randomly. If you are saying that you do this you are setting yourself up to be audited.

I didn't know PC did audits? I've never heard of this, is it new? NOt that I am worried, but I just have never heard of anything in the like?

 

[chefmeg]

Tsk. Tsk.

I know I should just keep my mouth shut but that is abusing the system. The consultant agreement you signed states that you do not get the booking benefit or commission on the host discount order if you or anyone living in your home is host.

Again, I will be chastized for "personally attacking" someone but we have talked about this over and over and it is especially meant for newbies to see that it is not ethical to do things this way. Pampered Chef is so generous to us and this kind of thing will only eventually make us lose some of the benefits we currently enjoy.

I am always amazed when sig lines quote scripture and the poster talks about how they beat the system by using a child's or husband's name, etc. or called a great order a show when it isn't anything more than a great order (ASK the customer if she wants to make it a show by gathering just a couple of orders and then putting a part of it on an order with her as a guest - if she says no then enter it as an individual order. Most will want to take advantage of the benefits and will make at least a small effort.)

HO reads the posts here randomly. If you are saying that you do this you are setting yourself up to be audited.

Again, Beth, you are the voice of reason...and I am with you all the way!

Everyone, just please understand that when you make choices to not do things according to policy, it is wrong! And if you have scripture in your signature, you are very aware of what is right and wrong, so "bending" the rules should be against what we believe.

New consultants come on this forum to ask questions and if you steer them in the wrong direction, it can come back to haunt them! I know that none of us want that, so be aware of what you are typing, regardless of the possible audit!

If you stop to think before you type, you may realize that you don't have the answer, just an opinion, and that Home Office does-tell folks to look in their business guide or call HO.

 

[Shawnna]

I have always been told by every consultant I know that if there are 150 in orders then you can count it as a show...no matter if it is 1 order or 15. I have also been told that it is okay if person orders 150 in product to also put her in as the host and she could get the host benefit. As far as ordering in your spouses name to be able to get commission on an order I would say no, but technically you would be getting the same benefit if you order it as a personal order...because your commission is the same as your consultant discount. The only difference is incentive points are based on sales. A 150 order as a catalog show gets the host no free product...just the opportunity to purchase the host special and a PHD.

 

[Christ Follower]

In answer to the original question, I have a lady who often books off of herself in order to get the booking benefit. She then usually just orders $150 in product herself as a guest then "qualifies" it as a show in order to get the host bonus. Now I called HO to let them know and they gave me the go-ahead. It doesn't matter who the guest is as long as there is $150 in sales.

 

[cmdtrgd]

Just something else to think about....if we were to input a $150 order of SA or Stoneware, the shipping would only be $4. If we continue to do that, HO will be forced to increase our shipping costs which hurts us and our customers. Do try to get other orders if you can!

 

[Christ Follower]

Just something else to think about....if we were to input a $150 order of SA or Stoneware, the shipping would only be $4. If we continue to do that, HO will be forced to increase our shipping costs which hurts us and our customers. Do try to get other orders if you can!

I'm not talking about combining orders to save on shipping or anything. I'm just talking about one person placing a $150 order. I see what you're saying, but I've had high shows where one person alone is spending $200-$300. Then again, I've had shows where 15 people only order $20-$30 per person. As long as no one is taking advantage, I think it will all balance out.

 

[cmdtrgd]

Ellen,I just wanted people to think about what could happen if they tried to "sell" this idea. I know it will all balance out, but it can't hurt to ask a large orderer if they know of anyone who would like to take advantage of the current guest special - they would get more free stuff, too!

 

[BethCooks4U]

Pampered Chef has always randomly audited consultants. They also randomly call hosts or guests and ask about shows, products, etc. It's one of the ways they find out what the public wants and what's working. 99.9% of the time it's all good but if there are too many red flags you will be called on it.

My whole point (again) is do what is right. Follow HO's guidelines and policies. Don't try to cheat the system.

I have sent in shows with one guest because a host was "unable" to get more orders. I know it's not against policy to do that but if someone calls you with a $150+ order it is not our place to make it a show. Suggest that the person get a few orders to add to it so it can be called a show and she can get the host benefits - even tell her just one order from a friend would be enough - but if she doesn't want to do that submit it as an individual order - that's what it is. The host benefits are HOST BENEFITS rewarded to hosts for showing the book and collecting orders from their friends.

And as someone else said, these $4 shipping shows WILL raise the cost of shipping for us all.

 

[Christ Follower]

Ellen,

I just wanted people to think about what could happen if they tried to "sell" this idea. I know it will all balance out, but it can't hurt to ask a large orderer if they know of anyone who would like to take advantage of the current guest special - they would get more free stuff, too!

Well that would be ideal, but I know it's not always the case. Although this particular woman (in my case) has a regular cooking show for me once or twice a year (with other guests ordering), she prefers to just place a big order for herself in between cooking shows to get the bonus while NOT getting the ladies at her work "burned out" on PC.

I don't think that this idea should be freely adveritsed, but I won't turn down someone wanting to do this.

 

[DebbieJ]

Tsk. Tsk.

I know I should just keep my mouth shut but that is abusing the system. The consultant agreement you signed states that you do not get the booking benefit or commission on the host discount order if you or anyone living in your home is host.

Again, I will be chastized for "personally attacking" someone but we have talked about this over and over and it is especially meant for newbies to see that it is not ethical to do things this way. Pampered Chef is so generous to us and this kind of thing will only eventually make us lose some of the benefits we currently enjoy.

I am always amazed when sig lines quote scripture and the poster talks about how they beat the system by using a child's or husband's name, etc. or called a great order a show when it isn't anything more than a great order (ASK the customer if she wants to make it a show by gathering just a couple of orders and then putting a part of it on an order with her as a guest - if she says no then enter it as an individual order. Most will want to take advantage of the benefits and will make at least a small effort.)

HO reads the posts here randomly. If you are saying that you do this you are setting yourself up to be audited.

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[dannyzmom]

I had one legitimate one that was a cooking show...the host just wasn't into getting friends there and outside orders. It happens, RARELY...otherwise, if it is like this case, I too would label it as a catalog show. Otherwise, you are making food to call it a cooking show and I would say abusing the $15 product value that HO gives out.

And the more people abuse the system, the less generous the company will be.
I suggest you call Home Office and ask them how to handle it. Then if the customer doesn't like your answer, you can refer her to HO.

 

[dannyzmom]

I didn't know PC did audits? I've never heard of this, is it new? NOt that I am worried, but I just have never heard of anything in the like?

They have ALWAYS done random audits...and when you do things like what many of the girls have mentioned doing above, you are totally setting yourself up to be audited.

 

[dannyzmom]

I do the host and guest as two different name.s Usually husband and wife, or use a child's name or their middle name.

I would suggest you call Home Office and ask what they think of this...

 

[jrstephens]

Ok. I have thought about this all night and have come to the conclusion that although my feelings are hurt by the fact that I am being called out individually when I know others have posted the same things that God is using this to convict me that although I may not see the issue that since others do see it then my witness is hurt for Him b/c I am presenting something that may make a person stumble. I have come to the conclusion through prayer that I will not do a show in my husband's name again (I have only done 2 in the past 1.5 years I have been doing this). I have already done two in my name this month, so, maybe God was trying to prepare me for this.

I also think that before you do a personal attack on one person that you need to think about the others that have posted in other places about this issue or other issues, that have not come under personal attack. But I know that God uses different ways and means to get His point across, so, I am assuming this is the time He decided to get something across to me. I also know that those of us that post scriptures and Biblical references are also called out quicker than others, but that is what happens when you try to be a good witness.

I am posting this b/c I want others to see that I do live by what I believe and "scriptures in my signature" are a true reflections of myself. And b/c I do not want to hurt my witness for God or cause my actions to cause someone else to stumble, I am coming on here and telling everyone I will not this again b/c I do not want to cause someone to stumble, and I will post as an answer from now on to do the show as a consultant hosted show.

I will get over my hurt feelings in time b/c I know that God uses them to bring things to our attention.

 

[J.Corley]

Jennifer, I commend you in stepping out there on a limb and standing up. I agree God uses different ways to convict, none of which feel good or are easy to swallow.
That being said let us not forget that the bible tells us to go one on one with a brother/sister whom we have caught in sin. The internet is new but we shouldn't forget we are all humans, who fail, but most of all get hurt!

Let us love and encourage each other in our business and in our walk.

 

[jrstephens]

Thank you for your kind words, Jennifer.

 

[Shawnna]

Now I called HO to let them know and they gave me the go-ahead. It doesn't matter who the guest is as long as there is $150 in sales.
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Ellen Hill
post # 31

Ellen says that she called HO about this and they said it was ok. If HO says it is ok, then it is ok.

Jennifer, I am sorry you have gotten your feelings hurt. It is true that God convicts each of us differently at times. It is also true that those of us who call ourselves Christians will get slammed quicker than anyone else...People are always watching us to see how we will act and react. Those same people who are quick to jump on us most likely are also doing things that shouldn't be done. Don't take it to heart. God will reward you for doing what is right. And, perhaps it really wasn't meant to be a personal attack. Sometimes people just don't think about how they "sound" before they speak.

I do not think your testimony for God is hurt. You are always kind, generous, respectful and obviously love God.

 

[angmillar]

I just one have comment...

I have been told many "tricks of the trade" by a recruiter and a director that I know personally. In fact, I have sat in on meetings that would make some of you all cringe at the notions being presented. In my ealier days in PC, I honestly had no idea that some of those tricks were against policies. I just took their words, since they have been in the biz longer than I had. I still consider myself fairly new (just finished 7 months), and when I am told some "tricks", I sometimes have to ask others if it is ethical or right. I would hope this would be a "safe" place to ask those questions.

I totally agree that someone should let me (or anyone else) know that I am doing something against policy, but I think the person should be corrected, and it should be left at that. Personally, I don't think what a person has in a signature has anything to do with our company or how we can be the most ethical consultants.

 

[BethCooks4U]

First of all I AM very much a Christian - better said a Faith-filled person (I am no better than my Jewish friends or those of other faiths). My faith of choice is Christian and I follow the teachings of my church in my daily living. That is the very reason that I feel it is important to say something when people are ignoring policy, abusing the system, etc.

I take offense at the comments that I am "attacking" anyone BECAUSE of quoting scripture. When I see scripture quoted I expect that everything that person says is going to be honest and ethical. There have been several posters who have told how they cheat and have the scripture - it's never personal.

I have been president of several organizations, attend and worked in churches and am a PC consultant. I represent those groups. When I do something I consider how my actions will reflect on that group.

As far as the postings here are concerned believe it or not I was not attacking a person. I was attacking ALL of those who talk about cheating the system but also quote scripture - those two things do not mix. If I had said nothing, the myth that it's okay to do these things would have gone on ["That very religious person said it's okay so it must be"].

When is it okay to post the correct information on this forum? No matter when something is said it's always a personal attack. "Nothing was said when ____ posted that but when I did..." Come on. It's time to put your big girl panties on and stop all this nonsense.

Follow the policies that you agreed to when you joined PC and you'll be fine. If you don't know what they are read your business guide or contact HO. Directors don't have all the answers and some cheat the system too so if yours says something that doesn't sound right look it up.

Of course if you want PC to tighten up on all they do for us and give us then just keep on doing what you're doing.

 

[dannyzmom]

Reading through this thread, I did not see anyone getting personally attacked...not at all. What I see, over and over again, is a director getting slammed for trying to HELP newer consultants learn how to run their businesses properly. Sheesh!

 

[finley1991]

I agree Carolyn & Beth. It's just too bad that when a director or consultant cautions another against violating the rules when she is only trying to stay true to her ethics and those of Pampered Chef, she gets slammed.

The only reason anyone feels "hurt" is because they have broken a rule, violated a policy or whatever. If they hadn't, they wouldn't be having those feelings.

And it's not just us... if someone from HO had contacted the consultant in violation, they would be upset with that person too.

The part about quoting scripture is tricky. Yes... if someone chooses to do that, they are held to a higher standard than others. It is what it is. With that, if someone does choose to quote scripture and in the same note post something unethical, it does come across hypocritical.

Please just know that when someone does post that a violation may be occurring, they aren't doing it to be mean or to offend a specific person... they are doing it so all will know and to protect the interests of all consultants.

 

[Evelynt]

I have a lady that wants to order a large amount of Pampered Chef items for Christmas presents. She wanted to know if it could count as a party and she could get benifits because her order is so large. So my questions is how many different orders do you need for it to be counted as a show?

Thanks,
Donna

She may be the guest and the host. This way she gets even more for less and you have one happy host/guest!!

 

[dannyzmom]

I agree Carolyn & Beth. It's just too bad that when a director or consultant cautions another against violating the rules when she is only trying to stay true to her ethics and those of Pampered Chef, she gets slammed.

The only reason anyone feels "hurt" is because they have broken a rule, violated a policy or whatever. If they hadn't, they wouldn't be having those feelings.

And it's not just us... if someone from HO had contacted the consultant in violation, they would be upset with that person too.

The part about quoting scripture is tricky. Yes... if someone chooses to do that, they are held to a higher standard than others. It is what it is. With that, if someone does choose to quote scripture and in the same note post something unethical, it does come across hypocritical.

Please just know that when someone does post that a violation may be occurring, they aren't doing it to be mean or to offend a specific person... they are doing it so all will know and to protect the interests of all consultants.

VERY well put Colleen!!!